This is the final part of my conversation with Darwin, a follower of Eli Soriano who claimed that the crucifixion and Jesus crucifieddeath of the Lord Jesus Christ happened not on a Friday as the whole Christendom is claiming but on a Wednesday.  His words are in red and/or enclosed while mine are in black. You be the judge and have a blessed Good Friday to all.

DARWIN’S FIRST ARGUMENT

Yes it can be used to place or relation but are those the things involved here or the TIME? Alam ko naman ang ibang translations kaya nga itinatama e. ang sinasabi mong “preferred translations” ko are the translations with CORRECT rendition of the verse based on the Greek texts and even from ancient Aramaic. 

I am just showing you both sides na either gamitin yung tatlong araw o ikatlong araw pareho pa rin ang magiging konteksto. Tatlong araw na ang nakakalipas; lumipas na ang ikatlong araw. So any problem with that? 

Yung “as of today” ay katumbas lamang ng TO DAY or to date kaya easy ka lang hahaha. Kaya nga “SA NGAYON LUMIPAS NA ANG IKATLONG ARAW SIMULA NANG MAGANAP ANG MGA BAGAY NA ITO” or “as of today the third day has already passed since these things happened.” 

I just proved you the correct translation of Luke 24:21 with matching Bible versions JUST LIKE yours with Bible versions also. So it’s either you believe or you ignore it and stay put with your native belief. That is the reason why I can say that the crucifixion was on a Wednesday. 

Wala namang sinasabi sa Mark 16:1 na nagkulang sila ng pabango e. But for the sake of argument ipagpalagay na nagkulang nga so nalaman lang nila na kulang ang pabango after they prepared them but there was no more time left kasi Sabbath (Passover) na so they rested (Luke 23:56). After the Passover saka sila bumili ng karagdagang pabango ayon sa Mark 16:1 according to you. They prepared them on the same day. 

At least dito NASUNOD ang three days and three nights dahil ayon kina John at Matthew madilim pa ng Sunday e wala na sa libingan si Cristo. Tama yung account ni Matthew: 

Now late on the sabbath day, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Mat. 28:1 ASV 

Matatapos pa lang ang Sabado, nagsisimula pa lang ang Linggo meaning MADILIM pa mga past 6 to 7pm pa lang yan dahil yung pagtatapos ng Sabbath at siya ring simula ng Sunday. Logical lang yan kasi syempre atat na atat nang makapunta yung mga babae sa libingan kaya yung earliest possible time na makakapunta sila ang kukunin nila. Suportado nga ito ni Juan: 

Now on the first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, while it was yet DARK, unto the tomb, and seeth the stone taken away from the tomb. – John 20:1 ASV 

So kung very early pa lang ng Sunday ay wala na Siya sa libingan, hindi Sunday nabuhay at hindi rin Friday inilibing dahil hindi makukumpleto ang three days and three nights! Ngayon, kung ilulusot mo naman na “part of the day is considered a whole day” e sablay yan. A day is a day consists of 12 hours of daylight (John 11:9) and 12 hours of night (Luke 12:36-38), beginning from sundown to sundown (Lev. 23:32). Isa pa ang bilang na tatlo ay isang perfect number so when Jesus said three days and three nights He was referring to perfect three days and perfect three nights or 72 hours 

Hehehe so bakit hindi nagpunta ang mga babae sa libingan nang Friday??? Sa simpleng dahilan na GWARDIYADO ang libingan at malamang e maaresto sila kapag nagpunta sila doon: 

Command therefore the sepulchre to be guarded until the third day: lest perhaps his disciples come and steal him away, and say to the people: He is risen from the dead; and the last error shall be worse than the first. – Mat. 27:64 DRB 

And they departing, made the sepulchre sure, sealing the stone, and setting guards. – Mat. 26:66 DRB

Iyan pa ang isang patunay na sasablay ang “part of the day is aconsidered a whole day” kasi kung totoo yun, hanggang anong oras sa ikatlong araw nila babantayan ang libingan? Kaya para talaga sa mga Judio ang three days and three nights na iyan ay literal. 

Tama ka na naniniwala ang mga Judio na mabubulok ang bangkay sa ikaapat na araw (meaning 96hrs). May paniniwala kasi sila na hindi umaalis ang spirit ng patay sa libingan sa loob ng tatlong araw (at tatlong gabi) liban nang makita nito na nabubulok na ang bangkay which happens on the fourth day. Saka pa lamang ito aalis kaya ang isang patay ay considered na patay na nga kung manatiling patay for at least 72 hrs. 

Hindi naganap kay Cristo yun. Hindi SIya nakakita ng kabulukan dahil 72 hours lang Siyang nakalibing at nagsisimula na ang ikaapat na araw nang nagmamadali silang magpunta sa libingan which is exactly the reason bakit pagkatapos na pagkatapos pa lang ng Sabado ay naroon na sila. Madilim pa lang. Kasi alam nila na mabubulok na ang bangkay later that day kaya hinahabol nila ang oras. 

Hahaha ang lawak naman ng range mo, 10 years. Halatang playing safe. Anyway widely accepted ng mga Friday crucifixionists na 33 years old si Jesus nang mamatay. Some say He was 33 and a half so kung 33AD Siya namatay then it will put His birthyear on 1BC which will be impossible dahil patay na si Herodes nun. Naunang ipanganak si Jesus bago mamatay si Herod so mali yan.

THE FIRST REBUTTAL

[Hehehe so bakit hindi nagpunta ang mga babae sa libingan nang Friday??? Sa simpleng dahilan na GWARDIYADO ang libingan at malamang e maaresto sila kapag nagpunta sila doon

Command therefore the sepulchre to be guarded until the third day: lest perhaps his disciples come and steal him away, and say to the people: He is risen from the dead; and the last error shall be worse than the first. – Mat. 27:64 DRB

Iyan pa ang isang patunay na sasablay ang “part of the day is aconsidered a whole day” kasi kung totoo yun, hanggang anong oras sa ikatlong araw nila babantayan ang libingan? Kaya para talaga sa mga Judio ang three days and three nights na iyan ay literal.]

While your reasons above are very funny, it also shows the absurdity of the idea and how stupid to hold on to it. By this alone, there’s no need to deal with your other replies because this is enough to unfold your vain thinking and reasoning.

You said that it is because of the guards that they didn’t come to the tomb on that Friday after his death (on a Wednesday as per your theory). But be reminded, Darwin, that the guards were still there even on that Sunday morning when the women arrived at the place (Mt 28:1). In his narrative, Matthew explicitly wrote, “The GUARDS trembled in fear and became like dead men when they saw the angel” (Mt. 28:4). Are you going to tell me that in this day the women were not afraid to be arrested anymore? Don’t make me stupid like you, Darwin. Additionally, the guards were specifically instructed to remain in the tomb UNTIL THE THIRD DAY (Mt 27:64) and yet they were still there on that morning. IT MEANS THAT THE THIRD DAY WAS NOT OVER YET. It makes perfect sense that Sunday, as told by the disciples, is the THIRD DAY (Lk 24:21).

Ito ang isang malaking patunay sa iyong maling interpretasyon sa Bibliya gaya ng lagi ko ng sinasabi.

With regards to the numbering of days, we follow the Lord in how he numbers them. It still presents a very good point on our stand because you haven’t denied or dealt with it when I presented it to you in my previous reply, “Jesus said to them, “Go and give that fox my answer: ‘I drive out demons and heal today and tomorrow, and on the third day I finish my course!” (Lk 13:32). In His words, Jesus implies that “today” (or anytime of “today”) is the first day, “tomorrow” is the second day and the day after tomorrow is the THIRD DAY. You can’t apply it to your Theory because Wednesday would be the equivalent of “today” hence the first day, “tomorrow” of Wednesday is the second day, that is Thursday and the third day should have been Friday. Jesus saidOf course, you can’t accept it but this is how Jesus would number the days. Remember the similarity of words Jesus uttered when He speaks of His Resurrection, “and they will kill him. But he will rise on the third day” (Mt 17:23). The day they killed Jesus is the first day (which is equivalent of the word “today” in Lk 13:32), the day after they killed Him is the Second day (which is equivalent of the word “tomorrow”) and the day after tomorrow is the third day which is, according to Jesus, the day that he will rise.

It’s either you accept that your interpretation is false or deny yourself the truth by believing the modern prophets and modern teachers like the one whom you followed on these last days.

DARWIN’S SECOND ARGUMENT

Hahaha actually I’ve been expecting that question a long time ago and I was surprised why you brought it so late. So bakit nga ba nandun pa rin ang mga guards considering na dapat e wala na sila kasi Sunday na pala? Ano bang sabi ng mga Pariseo? 

Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. – Mat. 27:63 

E maliwanag naman pala na ang pagkakaintindi ng mga Pariseong sulsol e PAGKATAPOS pa lamang ng 3 days and 3 nights mabubuhay si Cristo kaya tama lang na PAGKATAPOS ng Sabado which happens to be the third day e nandoon pa rin sila! Sumunod, ang ikipinangamba pa ni Pilato e baka dumating ang mga alagad sa GABI at nakawin ang Panginoon. 

Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead:so the last error shall be worse than the first. – Mat. 27:64

So kailan yung gabi na pwede nilang nakawin ang Cristo? Iyon nga ang gabi na nagtatapos na ang Sabbath dahil kapag nakumpleto na ang ikatlong gabi nangangahulugan din na tapos na ang 3 days and 3 nights at doon pa lang nila inaasahang darating ang mga alagad kaya nandun pa rin sila nang maaga ng Sunday. 

So may funny ba diyan ha? Hahaha 

Hehehe mukhang dedma na ang iba kong sagot a. Hindi mo yata natutulan ang sagot ko regarding the reckoning of day. Iyan namang ipinupunto mo ay IBA sa pinag-uusapan natin. Nagpapakita lamang iyan ng isang proseso na kailangang tuparin ni Cristo. Yung “today” at “tomorrow” Niya ay figure of speech na tumutukoy sa kasalukuyang panahon ng pangangaral Niya at yung “third day” ay ang Kaniyang pag-akyat sa langit kung saan magiging perfected Siya. Kaya maigi pa e review ka uli. 

Uulitin ko, ang araw sa mga Judio ay may 12 oras na daylight at 12 hours na darkness at nagsisimula sa sundown to sundown kaya applicable ito sa Wednesday crucifixion, perfectly. Kung gusto nilang tumukoy ng part of the day lamang, gumagamit sila ng termino na nangangahulugan ng “paghahati” gaya ng nasa Daniel: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. – Dan. 7:12 

Tungkol naman sa year of death, ano may iba ka pa bang hula kung kailan namatay? Hahaha… 

THE SECOND REBUTTAL

[from your previous reply: Hehehe so bakit hindi nagpunta ang mga babae sa libingan nang Friday??? Sa simpleng dahilan na GWARDIYADO ang libingan at malamang e maaresto sila kapag nagpunta sila doon 

From your last reply: Hahaha actually I’ve been expecting that question a long time ago and I was surprised why you brought it so late. So bakit nga ba nandun pa rin ang mga guards considering na dapat e wala na sila kasi Sunday na pala? Ano bang sabi ng mga Pariseo? Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. – Mat.27:63 E maliwanag naman pala na ang pagkakaintindi ng mga Pariseong sulsol e PAGKATAPOS pa lamang ng 3 days and 3 nights mabubuhay si Cristo kaya tama lang na PAGKATAPOS ng Sabado which happens to be the third day e nandoon pa rin sila! Sumunod, ang ikipinangamba pa ni Pilato e baka dumating ang mga alagad sa GABI at nakawin ang Panginoon.

Command therefore that the sepulchre be made sure until the third day, lest his disciples come by night, and steal him away, and say unto the people, He is risen from the dead:so the last error shall be worse than the first. – Mat. 27:64 So kailan yung gabi na pwede nilang nakawin ang Cristo? Iyon nga ang gabi na nagtatapos na ang Sabbath dahil kapag nakumpleto na ang ikatlong gabi nangangahulugan din na tapos na ang 3 days and 3 nights at doon pa lang nila inaasahang darating ang mga alagad kaya nandun pa rin sila nang maaga ng Sunday. So may funny ba diyan ha? Hahaha…]

Wow! The explanation seems great. It may also look like you answered my point. Unfortunately they didn’t! It remains funny because you have evaded the real issue why I brought up the topic about the guards in the first place. The main point is that you claim that the women did not anoint Jesus on Friday in the tomb because they were afraid to be arrested by the guards. Other points I mentioned are just secondary and subordinates to the real issue. Your answers above strengthen our claims of your vain thinking and reasoning.

Your answers deviated from the real issue. It may answer the question why the guards remained in the tomb on that Sunday morning but still it didn’t answer why the women didn’t come on Friday. Now, I hope you already have noticed how funny your answers are.

Since the main point of the issue has not been dealt with, it is only fitting not to deal with your other issues at this time. Why should we talk of many other things when a very simple task and problem on one issue you can’t even solved. I am just giving you a favor, Darwin. Deal with it first. Let us believe your “theory of Wednesday Cruci-fiction” without a shadow of even a minute doubt.

With regards to the secondary issues: You said, “PAGKATAPOS pa lamang ng 3 days and 3 nights MABUBUHAY si Cristo”. You continued, “tama lang na PAGKATAPOS ng Sabado which happens to be the third day e nandoon pa rin sila”. Rephrasing your statement it is like, “Pagkatapos ng Sabado mabubuhay si Cristo kaya nandoon pa rin sila (gwardiya)”. Well, don’t you think that you are betrayed by your own words because it will make Sunday as the day when Jesus had truly resurrected which is against your Saturday resurrection? Furthermore, if the Pharisees understood very well that “after three days” means “After Saturday” because they let the guards stay there until Sunday then you are a failure of proving your Saturday resurrection and unsuccessful too of proving that the guards are the reason why the women failed to anoint Jesus’ body on Friday (the second day as per your theory).

Have pity on yourself, Darwin. You remind me of the idiom, “A fish is caught by its own mouth.”

[Darwin: Hehehe mukhang dedma na ang iba kong sagot a. Hindi mo yata natutulan ang sagot ko regarding the reckoning of day. Iyan namang ipinupunto mo ay IBA sa pinag-uusapan natin. Nagpapakita lamang iyan ng isang proseso na kailangang tuparin ni Cristo. Yung “today” at “tomorrow” Niya ay figure of speech na tumutukoy sa kasalukuyang panahon ng pangangaral Niya at yung “third day” ay ang Kaniyang pag-akyat sa langit kung saan magiging perfected Siya. Kaya maigi pa e review ka uli.]

That is the problem if someone pretends to understand English well. He’ll become desperate when things are hard for him to understand. Yes, I am talking about you and how desperate you are. If “today” and “tomorrow” are figures of speech. Can you tell me and other readers here what kind of “Figures of Speech” are they? Your understanding of things in English is evidently very poor as shown in our previous discussion. And now you want us to be taught by you. You must really be hallucinating. I may need an English teacher but definitely not you. Look at the words of Jesus again, “I drive out demons and heal today and tomorrow, and on the third day I finish my course” (Lk 13:32). And look once more how you reinvent its meaning, “Yung “today” at “tomorrow” Niya ay figure of speech na tumutukoy sa kasalukuyang panahon ng pangangaral Niya at yung “third day” ay ang Kaniyang pag-akyat sa langit kung saan magiging perfected Siya.”

Darwin, there’s nowhere in that passage implies that the third day refers to Jesus’ ascension to heaven. (You must be on drugs to say that. Are you? hehehe) It however speaks of His death that is why it may also refers to His resurrection, killed in JerusalemJesus said on the succeeding verse, “for it would not be fitting for a prophet to be KILLED outside Jerusalem” (Lk 13:33). Additionally, it also deals with the numbering of days when Jesus speaks of the third day. It definitely means the sequence of days until it reaches the third day. That’s simple however you just can’t accept that these things are beyond your understanding.

[Uulitin ko, ang araw sa mga Judio ay may 12 oras na daylight at 12 hours na darkness at nagsisimula sa sundown to sundown kaya applicable ito sa Wednesday crucifixion, perfectly. Kung gusto nilang tumukoy ng part of the day lamang, gumagamit sila ng termino na nangangahulugan ng “paghahati” gaya ng nasa Daniel: And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. – Dan. 7:12]

I’m sorry Darwin but Jesus never said about 72 hours when he speaks about his death and resurrection but he numbered these days according to the numbering he made in Lk 13:32 as he also mentioned the phrase “on the third day” (also in Mt 17:23 etc). As far as your reply about it is concern, it is definitely busted as shown above. With regards to Daniel 7:12: “As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time” (KJV). The dividing of time in your Bible version actually speaks about season. Don’t make more interpretations out of it when there is none.

[Tungkol naman sa year of death, ano may iba ka pa bang hula kung kailan namatay? Hahaha…] 

I have made it clear in my previous reply “…since the Calculated Jewish Calendar started only about 11th century CE (Christian Era), then we therefore could not get, with that much DEGREE OF CERTAINTY, the exact day and its equivalent Gregorian Calendar Date”. But it’s no doubt that it was the time when Pontius Pilate rules as prefect of Judea.

Additionally, the Jewish Calendars are like the Islamic calendar nowadays. They already have calculated calendar (e.g. month of Ramadan) however the appearance of the new moon will still determine its first day. So, we may determine the exact year when Jesus has died but what day Nisan 14 fell on that year may not be determined by just calculating it from the present date.

Pero kung gusto mo lang pala ay “hula”, doon ka na kay Madam Auring, huwag sa akin.