The Lord Jesus at the Final Judgment

Dennis Butic

DISPROVING PURGATORY AND THE DEUTEROCANONICALS .

WE, Mcgi, believe that the true canonical scriptures are the 66 books of the bible. Catholics on the other hand adds apocryphal books to the 66 books later after they agreed officially on 66 books. WE DONT BELIEVE THE APOCHRYPA OR DEUTEROCANONICALS BEC IT CONTRADICTS THE TRUE SCRIPTURES.

An example is in the matter of purgatory. HERE IS THE CATHOLICS CATHECHISM:

III. THE FINAL PURIFICATION, OR PURGATORY

1030 All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608

1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: “Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.”609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.611

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HERE IS THE CATHOLIC BASIS, THE APOCHRYPA:

2 Maccabees 12:44-46Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA) 44 (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,) 45 And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them. 46 It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

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The CATHECHISM of catholics states that their basis of the doctrine of purgatory is based from the apocryphal book of maccabees wherein it emphasized on praying for the dead for their purification.

That contradicts the bible as god impose the fact that christians having been purged has still in them VENIAL SINS…

1JOHN1:7-8 but if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another AND THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSE US FROM ALL SINS IF WE (the ones cleanse from all sins) SAY WE HAVE NO SIN, WE DECEIVE OURSELVES….

as the verse states, even after we are cleansed from all sins, we still have residual sins, logically, VENIAL sins, implying that what the blood of Jesus cleansed are only mortal sins, not including VENIAL sins.

DESPITE HAVING VENIAL SINS, AS LONG AS THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSED US OF MORTAL SINS, GOD STILL CONSIDERS US SINLESS thus purgatory is irrelevant

TITUS3:5-6 ACCDG TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US BY THE WASHING OF REGENARATION….THAT BEING “DIKAIOO” (MADE INNOCENT OR SINLESS) BY HIS GRACE, WE SHOULD BE MADE HEIRS…

as we can see, those cleansed by the blood of Jesus has still VENIAL SINS. DESPITE that God considers them “DIKAIOO” or innocent or sinless.

IS THERE NEED OF PURGATORY THEREFORE NOW THAT GOD CONSIDERS CHRISTIANS HAVING VENIAL SINS AS SINLESS?

No more bec there is no more sins to purged as god consider them sinless.

THAT DISPROVES PURGATORY. and bec purgatory is an apocryphal doctrine therefore DISPROVING the APOCHRYPA as authentic scriptures.

Lastly, the catechism said SOME OFFENSES ARE FORGIVEN IN THIS AGE AND SOME IN THE AGE TO COME

MATT 12:32 WHOSOEVER speak against the holy ghost shall not be forgiven NEITHER IN THIS AGE OR THE AGE TO COME… it implies, there is no more forgiveness in the age to come bec it is already a world of sinless people, As I have presented above….

2PET3:13 THE NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH WHEREIN DWELL RIGHTEOUSNESS….

 

[DISPROVING PURGATORY AND THE DEUTEROCANONICALS]

HELLO DENNIS BUTIC, KOMUSTA NA ANG BOUTIQUE PARLOR NIO NI MAMA ELI? HA HA HA…. WELL, MULI ISA KANG TRYING HARD SUBALIT HINDI MO NAGAWANG MA DISPROVE ANG PURGATORY AT DEUTEROCANONICALS. NO NO NO… NADA, NUNCA, NIENTE… IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET. HA HA HA

[WE, Mcgi, believe that the true canonical scriptures are the 66 books of the bible.]

WHAT YOU AND MAMA ELI BELIEVE IS DEMONIC. BECAUSE THE 66 BOOKS IS ONLY INVENTED BY MARTIN LUTHER WHO REMOVED THE 7 BOOKS OF DEUTEROCANONICALS WHICH WERE IN THE BIBLE. WHO IS THE DEVIL WHO GAVE MARTIN LUTHER THE PERMISSION TO REMOVE THOSE 7 BOOKS FROM THE SACRED SCRIPTURES?

[Catholics on the other hand adds apocryphal books to the 66 books later after they agreed officially on 66 books.]

EXCUSE ME, YOU ARE LYING THROUGH YOUR TEETH HERE. HUNDREDS OF YEARS BEFORE MAMA ELI CAME OUT OF HELL TO DECEIVE YOU AND YOUR MINIONS THE CATHOLIC BIBLE ALREADY GOD THOSE 7 BOOKS. WE GOT THE 73 BOOKS AND NOT THE DEMONIC 66 BOOKS THAT YOU HAVE.

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH NEVER AGREED WITH THE 66 BOOKS… NO NO NO… NADA, NUNCA, NIENTE… IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET. HA HA HA… WE ALWAYS GOT THE 73 BOOKS. EVEN THE KING JAMES VERSION WERE PRINTED WITH THOSE 7 BOOKS IN IT. IT WAS ONLY DURING THE EARLY 20th CENTURY WHEN IT WAS REMOVED IN KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE.

THE OFFICIAL BIBLE IS ALWAYS 73 BOOKS, NO MORE… NO LESS.

[WE DONT BELIEVE THE APOCHRYPA OR DEUTEROCANONICALS BEC IT CONTRADICTS THE TRUE SCRIPTURES.]

THE DEUTEROCANONICALS ARE NOT APOCRYPHA AND THEY NEVER CONTRADICT THE SACRED SCRIPTURES BECAUSE THEY ARE SACRED SCRIPTURES THEMSELVES.

[An example is in the matter of purgatory.]

THE DOCTRINE OF PURGATORY IS BIBLICAL SO YOUR HALLUCINATIONS WILL ONLY MAKE YOU APPEAR PATHETIC AT BEST. HA HA HA…

[HERE IS THE CATHOLICS CATHECHISM:

III. THE FINAL PURIFICATION, OR PURGATORY

1030 All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned.606 The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:607

As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.608

1032 This teaching is also based on the practice of prayer for the dead, already mentioned in Sacred Scripture: “Therefore [Judas Maccabeus] made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.”609 From the beginning the Church has honored the memory of the dead and offered prayers in suffrage for them, above all the Eucharistic sacrifice, so that, thus purified, they may attain the beatific vision of God.610 The Church also commends almsgiving, indulgences, and works of penance undertaken on behalf of the dead:

Let us help and commemorate them. If Job’s sons were purified by their father’s sacrifice, why would we doubt that our offerings for the dead bring them some consolation? Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them.611]

VERY GOOD. I HOPE YOU ARE INTELLECTUALLY COMPETENT TO UNDERSTAND OUR CATECHISM.

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[HERE IS THE CATHOLIC BASIS, THE APOCHRYPA:

2 Maccabees 12:44-46 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA) 44 (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,) 45 And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them. 46 It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.]

ANG 1ST AND 2ND BOOK OF MACCABEES ARE NOT APOCRYPHA BUT DEUTEROCANONICALS. THEY ARE PART OF THE CANON OF THE SACRED SCRIPTURES DAHIL ANG CATHOLIC CHURCH ANG NAG DESISYON NG LISTAHAN NG CANON OF SCRIPTURES AT HINDI SI MAMA ELI. BAGO PA UMUTOT ANG LOLO NG LOLO NI MAMA ELI TAPOS NA ANG LISTAHAN NG LIST OF THE BOOKS OF THE BIBLE AT KASAMA DUON ANG MGA AKLAT NA IYAN. HA HA HA…

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[The CATHECHISM of catholics states that their basis of the doctrine of purgatory is based from the apocryphal book of maccabees wherein it emphasized on praying for the dead for their purification.]

THE DOCTRINE OF PURGATORY HAS MANY BIBLICAL FOUNDATIONS IN THE SACRED SCRIPTURES. THE FACT THAT IT CHOSE TO QUOTE THE BOOK OF MACCABEES IS A PROOF THAT PRAYING FOR THE DEAD HAS AN ANCIENT FOUNDATION FROM JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN HISTORY. UNFORTUNATELY ELI SORIANO IS IGNORANT OF THIS HISTORICAL FACT AS ATTESTED BY THE BOOK OF MACCABEES WHICH IS AN OLD JEWISH DOCUMENT POSSESSED BY THE JEWS AT DIASPORA.

[That contradicts the bible as god impose the fact that christians having been purged has still in them VENIAL SINS…]

THAT IS STUPID. THE TEACHING OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS THAT THOSE CHRISTIANS WHO ARE PURGED HAS NO VENIAL SINS IN THEM SINCE THEY ARE PURGED ALREADY. THOSE WHO HAVE VENIAL SINCE ARE THOSE WHO ARE NOT YET COMPLETELY PURGED. THAT IS WHY THEY ARE BEING PURGED IN PURGATORY BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT YET PURGED. HA HA HA…

[1JOHN1:7-8 but if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another AND THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSE US FROM ALL SINS IF WE (the ones cleanse from all sins) SAY WE HAVE NO SIN, WE DECEIVE OURSELVES….]

THE BLOOD OF CHRIST CLEANSES US FROM OUR SINS IF WE HAVE REPENTED OF OUR SINS AND HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN FROM OUR SINS. BUT THOSE LIKE MAMA ELI WHO COMMITTED RAPE AGAINST ANOTHER MAN AND THEN HIDING FROM HIS CRIME AND BEING ‘HIDDEN’ BY HIS BRAINWASHED FOLLOWERS LIKE YOU SHOW THAT YOU ARE NOT PURGED YET. YOU ARE NOT CLEANSED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. YOU ARE LIVING AND WALLOWING IN THE SINS OF ELI SORIANO WHICH IS HOMOSEXUAL RAPE. HA HA HA…

[as the verse states, even after we are cleansed from all sins, we still have residual sins, logically, VENIAL sins, implying that what the blood of Jesus cleansed are only mortal sins, not including VENIAL sins.]

HA HA HA YOU ARE SHOWING YOUR STUPIDITY HERE. 1 JOHN 1:7-8 STATES THAT THE BLOOD OF CHRIST CLEANSES US OF “ALL SINS”. SO IF ONE IS PURGED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST THEN ALL SINS HAVE BEEN REMOVED INCLUDING VENIAL SINS.

YOU ARE HALLUCINATING. THERE IS NO STATEMENT IN THAT PASSAGE THAT THOSE WHO ARE PURGED BY CHRIST’S BLOOD STILL HAVE VENIAL SINS. HA HA HA DREAM ON.

[DESPITE HAVING VENIAL SINS, AS LONG AS THE BLOOD OF JESUS CLEANSED US OF MORTAL SINS, GOD STILL CONSIDERS US SINLESS thus purgatory is irrelevant]

HA HA HA THAT IS STUPID. 1 JOHN 1:7-8 DOESN’T MENTION VENIAL OR MORTAL SINS. IT SIMPLY SAYS THAT WE ARE SINNERS BUT THE BLOOD OF CHRIST REMOVES ALL SINS. SO ONCE ALL SINS HAVE BEEN REMOVED THERE IS NO MORTAL OR VENIAL SINS ANYMORE. THESE PERSONS WILL GO TO HEAVEN BECAUSE THEY ARE SANCTIFIED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST. HA HA HA…

[TITUS3:5-6 ACCDG TO HIS MERCY HE SAVED US BY THE WASHING OF REGENARATION….THAT BEING “DIKAIOO” (MADE INNOCENT OR SINLESS) BY HIS GRACE, WE SHOULD BE MADE HEIRS…

as we can see, those cleansed by the blood of Jesus has still VENIAL SINS. DESPITE that God considers them “DIKAIOO” or innocent or sinless.]

HA HA HA THAT IS ANOTHER LIE AND STUPIDITY. THERE IS NOWHERE IN TITUS 3:5-6 SAYING THAT THOSE WHO ARE CLEANSED BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS STILL HAS VENIAL SINS. HA HA HA NADA, NUNCA, NIENTE… NOTHING… IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET!!! HA HA HA…

[IS THERE NEED OF PURGATORY THEREFORE NOW THAT GOD CONSIDERS CHRISTIANS HAVING VENIAL SINS AS SINLESS?]

IS THERE A NEED OF PURGATORY BECAUSE NONE OF THE BIBLE VERSES YOU GAVE SAY THAT THOSE CLEANSED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST STILL HAS VENIAL SINS. HA HA HA… ACTUALLY PURGATORY IS NOT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN PURGED ALREADY OR HAVE BEEN CLEANSED BY THE BLOOD OF CHRIST BUT FOR THOSE SINNERS WHO ARE NOT YET COMPLETELY OR TOTALLY CLEANSED, MEANING, THEY DIED IN SIN NOT LEADING TO DEATH… THEY CAN BE PRAYED FOR:

1 Jn 5:16-17 [GNB] If you see a believer commit a sin that does not lead to death, you should PRAY TO GOD, who will GIVE THAT PERSON LIFE. This applies to those whose sins do not lead to death. But there is sin which leads to death, and I do not say that you should pray to God about that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which does not lead to death.

ONCE AGAIN MR. BOUTIQUE OF ELI SORIANO, PURGATORY IS NOT FOR THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN COMPLETELY CLEANSED BY THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB BUT FOR THOSE WHO STILL HAVE SINS THAT DOESN’T LEAD TO SPIRITUAL DEATH [i.e., VENIAL SINS, not MORTAL SINS].

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS RIGHT ON HER DOCTRINE OF PURGATORY.

[No more bec there is no more sins to purged as god consider them sinless.]

EXACTLY. THAT IS THE CATHOLIC TEACHING THAT THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN PURGED COMPLETELY OR SANCTIFIED TOTALLY BY CHRIST’S BLOOD OR BY THE GRACE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT THEY ARE NO LONGER UNDERGOING PURGATORY. THEY GO TO HEAVEN. ARE YOU IGNORANT OF THAT? HA HA HA…

[THAT DISPROVES PURGATORY.]

NO NO NO… SORRY FOR YOU. HA HA HA NADA, NUNCA, NIENTE… NOTHING… IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET!!! HA HA HA…

YOU ARE DISPROVING YOUR OWN DISTORTED UNDERSTANDING OF PURGATORY NOT OUR CATHOLIC DOCTRINE OF PURGATORY. HA HA HA…

[and bec purgatory is an apocryphal doctrine therefore DISPROVING the APOCHRYPA as authentic scriptures.]

PURGATORY IS NOT AN APOCRYPHAL DOCTRINE BUT A BIBLICAL DOCTRINE SUPPORTED NOT ONLY BY THE BOOK OF MACCABEES BUT ALSO BY 1 JOHN 5:16-17 THAT THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN VENIAL SINS MUST BE PRAYED FOR SO THAT GOD WILL GIVE THEM LIFE. ALSO IT IS PROVEN BY THE LORD JESUS IN THE GOSPEL OF MATTHEW WHICH TEACHES THAT THERE IS FORGIVENESS OF SINS EVEN IN THE LIFE-AFTER:

Mt 12:32 [RV] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in that which is to come. 

EVEN IN THE NEXT LIFE THERE IS FORGIVENESS OF SINS, THERE IS STILL A PROCESS OF CLEANSING OR PURGING OF SINS IN ORDER FOR THE FAITHFUL TO INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

FROM THE OLD TESTAMENT IT IS ALREADY CLEAR THAT THE SAVING POWER OF GOD OR THE GRACE OF GOD IS WORKING NOT ONLY FOR THOSE WHO ARE LIVING HERE ON EARTH BUT EVEN FOR THOSE WHO HAVE DIED AND ARE INTO SECOND LIFE:

Ruth 2:20 [RV] And Naomi said unto her daughter in law, Blessed be he of the LORD, who hath not left off his kindness to the living and to the dead.

THE BIBLICAL FOUNDATION OF PURGATORY IS SOLID. HINDI ANG URI NIO NI MAMA ELI ANG MAGPAPABAGSAK SA DOCTRINA NG PURGATORIO. HA HA HA… NO NO NO… SORRY FOR YOU. HA HA HA NADA, NUNCA, NIENTE… NOTHING… IN RUSSIAN: NYET, NYET!!! HA HA HA…

[Lastly, the catechism said SOME OFFENSES ARE FORGIVEN IN THIS AGE AND SOME IN THE AGE TO COME]

CORRECT… 

[MATT 12:32 WHOSOEVER speak against the holy ghost shall not be forgiven NEITHER IN THIS AGE OR THE AGE TO COME… it implies, there is no more forgiveness in the age to come bec it is already a world of sinless people, As I have presented above….]

IT IMPLIES THAT THERE IS FORGIVENESS HERE ON EARTH AND ALSO IN THE NEXT LIFE. ONLY THOSE WHO BLASPHEMES THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN IN THE NEXT LIFE. BUT THOSE WHO DO NOT BLASPHEMES THE HOLY SPIRIT AND ARE BEING PRAYED FOR BY THE CHURCH AS IN 1 JOHN 5:16-17 THEN THEY WILL BE GRANTED LIFE BY GOD OR FORGIVENESS OF SINS AND ETERNAL LIFE IN HEAVEN. HA HA HA…

[2PET3:13 THE NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH WHEREIN DWELL RIGHTEOUSNESS….]

THIS IS SUPPORTIVE OF PURGATORY. THOSE WHO ARE IN HEAVEN AND THE SAVED HAVE BEEN PURGED EITHER HERE ON EARTH OR IN THE NEXT LIFE. THEY ARE IN HEAVEN BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN CLEANSED COMPLETELY. HA HA HA… SORRY MR. BOUTIQUE AND TO YOUR MAMA ELI. YOU FAILED AGAIN… AGAIN AND AGAIN. HA HA HA…