Thank you!! No worries; you always do a wonderful job of addressing my questions.
After nearly a year of attending the OF during the week (keep in mind that I was raised with the OF) so as to receive the sacrament more frequently while still attending the EF on Sunday I have begun to experience some ‘qualms of conscience” The words of my former SSPX advisers keep coming to mind; those being that if I am aware of the supposed issues with the EF, it might be a mortal sin for me to assist; if I am aware that (,in their minds a great many of the faithful have lost the faith because of the OF and it’s perceived inadequacies and that is to say it’s Protestant-izing of the Mass and all of what the perceive as abuses; communion in the hand; while standing, altar girls Extraordinary Eucharistic ministers and such).)
I welcome any thoughts on your part. Do you believe that one can frequent both Forms successfully, from a spiritual perspective?
[Thank you!! No worries; you always do a wonderful job of addressing my questions.]
Thank you for the appreciation Terry.
[After nearly a year of attending the OF during the week (keep in mind that I was raised with the OF) so as to receive the sacrament more frequently while still attending the EF on Sunday I have begun to experience some ‘qualms of conscience”]
Our conscience must be educated and must be guided by the authority of the Church otherwise we can also go astray just following a conscience that is not guided by reason or by truth of faith.
Jesus built the Church to be our protection from Satan and to be the pillar and ground of truth [cf. Mt 16:18-19/ 1 Tim 3:15]. Let your conscience then be in full communion in the mind and heart of the Church.
[The words of my former SSPX advisers keep coming to mind;]
That is the root of your problem. Instead of reading and studying the Vatican II documents and the official explanations of the Church you allowed yourself to be poisoned by SSPX lies and distortions.
[those being that if I am aware of the supposed issues with the EF, it might be a mortal sin for me to assist;]
The issues raised by SSPX against the OF and their SOLA LATINA and SOLA TRIDENTINA distortion of EF are all products of their own imaginations. The SSPX have no definitive authority to tell us about mortal sin concerning the Holy Mass since they are POPELESS. They are like Pharisees who keep on criticizing yet they are like noisy drums which are essentially empty inside.
[if I am aware that (,in their minds a great many of the faithful have lost the faith because of the OF]
MY GOD. HAVE YOU STUDIED CHURCH HISTORY? HAVEN’T YOU READ THAT BEFORE VATICAN II THERE WERE A LOT OF SCANDALS IN THE CHURCH. POPES WERE PUPPETS OF POLITICIANS TO THE POINT THAT A 12 YEAR OLD BECAME POPE AND THERE WERE ADULTEROUS RELATIONSHIPS… IN FACT MANY NOBLES SUCH AS DUKES AND DUCHESSES WERE CHILDREN OF THE POPE OR CARDINALS. THE PROTESTANT REVOLT HAPPENED BEFORE VATICAN II AND MILLIONS LEFT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. ARE YOU IGNORANT OF THAT?
BEFORE VATICAN II THE POPE HAS AN ARMY WHO JOINS WAR WITH EUROPEAN NATIONS. ISN’T THAT SCANDALOUS AND TERRIBLE? HOW CAN YOU PREACH OF PEACE, CELEBRATING MASS IN LATIN YET THE PAPAL ARMIES WERE MARCHING IN WAR? WHAT A HYPOCRISY.
THE BLESSED MOTHER SAID IN FATIMA THAT WORLD WAR I IS ABOUT TO END BUT IF PEOPLE WILL NOT STOP SINNING AGAINST GOD ANOTHER WORLD WAR GREATER THAN THE FIRST WILL COME. HEAVEN KNOWS WHAT EVIL THE PEOPLE OF THAT TIME PRIOR TO VATICAN II HAVE DONE TO THE POINT THAT GOD PUNISHED THEM WITH WORLD WAR II. HELLO, WE DO NOT CELEBRATE MASS IN LATIN MUCH TODAY BUT AT LEAST WE ARE NOT IN WORLD WAR III. IF THEY ARE SO HOLY THEN WHY DID GOD PUNISHED THEM WITH TWO WORLD WARS. AS IF MILLIONS DIDN’T DIE FOR WORLD WAR 1 AND WORLD WAR II. PLEASE SPARE ME THE HYPOCRISY.
IF THE PEOPLE ARE SINNERS THEY ARE SINNERS WHETHER THEY CELEBRATE THE MASS IN GREEK, LATIN, HEBREW OR ENGLISH.
[and it’s perceived inadequacies and that is to say it’s Protestant-izing of the Mass]
ONCE AGAIN, I BEG YOU TO USE YOUR BRAIN AND GIVE ME AN IOTA OF ORDINARY FORM THAT IS PROTESTANTIZED? WHICH PART OF THE OF IS FROM THE PROTESTANT?
ONLY A FOOL WILL BELIEVE THAT THE OF IS PROTESTANT. SORRY FOR THE WORD BUT THAT IS WHAT I AM CONVINCED OF. NOT A SINGLE PART OF OF IS PROTESTANT. THEY ARE ALL FROM SACRED TRADITION.
[and all of what the perceive as abuses; communion in the hand; while standing, altar girls Extraordinary Eucharistic ministers and such).)]
THEY PERCEIVE IT AS ABUSES BECAUSE THEY FOOLISHLY REFUSE TO OPEN THEIR MIND TO THE THE TRUTH OF FAITH AND TO THE REAL SACRED TRADITION OF THE CHURCH.
COMMUNION IN THE HAND IS APOSTOLIC IN ORIGIN BECAUSE THE IMPOSITION OF COMMUNION BY TONGUE ONLY WAS ONLY DONE CENTURIES LATER.
COMMUNION BY STANDING IS ALSO BEING PRACTICED IN THE EASTERN CHURCH. WATCH VIDEOS OF THE BYZANTINE GREEK MASSES IN BOTH CATHOLIC AND ORTHODOX. THE GREEK MASS IS MUCH MORE OLDER THAN THE TLM.
CONCERNING ALTAR GIRLS. THE CHURCH HAS DEFINITIVELY PROHIBIT THE ORDINATION TO THE PRIESTHOOD OF WOMEN. THAT IS FINAL AND DEFINITIVE. HOWEVER, THE CHURCH HAS NO RULING PROHIBITING ALTAR GIRLS. YES, BEFORE ALL SERVERS WERE ALTAR BOYS. BUT, WHERE IS THE DOGMATIC OR DEFINITIVE PRONOUNCEMENTS ON THAT? THE CHURCH HAS THE POWER TO BIND AND TO LOOSE. IT IS THE CHURCH, NOT THE SSPX TRAITORS, WHO CAN SAY WHICH IS ALLOWABLE AND WHICH IS NOT. TODAY, THERE ARE REQUESTS FOR WOMEN PRIESTS = THE CHURCH SAYS NO. REQUESTS FOR WOMEN DEACON = THE CHURCH SAYS NO. WOMEN BISHOPS = THE CHURCH SAYS NO. WOMEN POPE = THE CHURCH SAYS NO. BECAUSE THE DOGMA AND TRADITION ARE ALL SOLIDLY SAYING NO. BUT IF THE CHURCH ALLOWED ALTAR FEMALE SERVERS WHY ARE YOU CRYING BABIES?
YOU DON’T WANT TO CHANGE THE CUSTOM OF HAVING ALL ALTAR BOYS YET WHY IS IT OK FOR YOU TO CHANGE THE MASS FROM GREEK TO LATIN? HELLO. WHY DON’T WE ABANDON LATIN IN FAVOR OF THE OLDER GREEK WHICH IS THE BIBLICAL LANGUAGE? OR HEBREW OR ARAMAIC?
IF THERE ARE CHANGES JUST LIKE THE GUITAR-LIKE ROMAN CHASUBLE IT IS OK FOR YOU. DID JESUS AND THE APOSTLE REQUIRED OR DEMANDED GOTHIC OR GUITAR-SHAPED VESTMENTS? WHY DID YOU ALLOW IT AND WHY DID YOU ACCEPT THE CHANGES WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED?
FOR ME, THE CHURCH PARTICULARLY THE POPE HAS THE POWER TO BIND AND TO LOOSE. IT IS THE CHURCH THROUGH THE POPE WHO WILL DECIDED WHICH IS ACCEPTABLE OR NOT, WHICH IS PROHIBITED AND WHICH CAN BE APPROVED. I REJOICE THAT PRIESTHOOD IS RESERVED FOR MEN BUT I ALSO REJOICE THAT THE CHURCH IN HER GENEROSITY AS MATER ET MAGISTRA ALLOWED WOMEN ALTAR SERVERS AND EXTRAORDINARY MINISTERS OF THE EUCHARIST.
THE SSPX IS LIKE THE REBELLIOUS MONKS OF MT. ATHOS. THEY ARE STAGNANT THEOLOGICALLY AND DOCTRINALLY. I WILL NOT BE A FOOL SO AS TO DISOBEY THE POPE AND FOLLOW THESE SELF PROCLAIMED TRADITIONAL TRAITORS.
[I welcome any thoughts on your part.]
THANK YOU. I AM VERY STRONG IN MY RESPONSE. WE ARE SICK AND TIRED OF THESE VILE PEOPLE WHO CLAIM TO BE TRADITIONAL YET TRAITORS TO THE AUTHORITY OF THE CHURCH. AS IF THE CHURCH DIDN’T EXPERIENCE CHANGES FROM THE COUNCIL OF JERUSALEM TO THE COUNCIL OF NICAEA AND SO FORTH.
THE CHURCH HAS CHANGED A LOT. BUT ESSENTIALLY THE SAME. THE BODY OF CHRIST WHO WAS BORN A BABY IN BETHLEHEM HAS GROWN IN NAZARETH. SO THE CHURCH THAT WAS BORN IN JERUSALEM DURING PENTECOST HAS GROWN IN ROME. THE FAITH IS THE SAME BUT THE RITUALS AND VESTMENTS AND OTHER PRACTICES HAS CHANGED AND DEVELOPED. ONLY FOOLS AND BLIND WILL DENY THAT. PROVE TO ME THAT THE APOSTLES HAD CELEBRATED MASS IN TRIDENTINE RITE OF 1962.
[Do you believe that one can frequent both Forms successfully, from a spiritual perspective?]
DEFINITELY. A CATHOLIC CAN FREQUENT THE OF AND THE EF BECAUSE THEY ARE ONE AND THE SAME HOLY MASS OF THE LATIN RITE OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH. THEY COMPLIMENT EACH OTHER. UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE SOME TRAITORS LIKE THE SSPX WHO REJECT ONE OF THEM OUT OF DISTORTED CONCEPT OF WHAT CATHOLIC TRADITION IS.
YOU ARE WELCOME.