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Sebastian

Hello again, my friends. I knew there is a reason that I love you all; your fervor.
I only excerpted this piece myself because it was much longer and I just wished to ask your thoughts on the main point. I myself, used to correspond with Mr. Salza and admit that I did learn a lot from him; not too unlike the fact that I learn a great deal from you all. Also, I was curious as to your thoughts on his assertion of the supposed Free-masonic involvement of Archbishop Bugnini and also the involvement of the six Protestant ministers who were present . I know there are some who believe that they, the ministers, contributed to final product which became the Pauline Mass. I know that I have read that one of the Protestant observers, Jasper I believe, stated that there was nothing in the New Rite of the Mass that would be found offensive by Protestants. 
Thank you, my friends.

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Splendor1618

[Hello again, my friends. I knew there is a reason that I love you all; your fervor.]

THANK YOU TERRY.

[I only excerpted this piece myself because it was much longer and I just wished to ask your thoughts on the main point. I myself, used to correspond with Mr. Salza and admit that I did learn a lot from him; not too unlike the fact that I learn a great deal from you all.]

THANK YOU… WE HAVE THE COLLECTION OF APOLOGETICS BOOKS OF JOHN SALZA. THEY ARE GREAT IN DEFENSE OF THE FAITH BUT HIS ULTRA TRADITIONALISM IS OVERBOARD. AS THEY SAY IN ANCIENT LATIN: “IN MEDIO STAT VIRTU!” IN THE MIDDLE THERE IS THE VIRTUE OR VIRTUE STANDS IN THE MIDDLE. BOTH EXTREMES MUST BE AVOIDED. EXTREME LIBERAL AND EXTREME CONSERVATIVE.

[Also, I was curious as to your thoughts on his assertion of the supposed Free-masonic involvement of Archbishop Bugnini and also the involvement of the six Protestant ministers who were present .]

THE ACCUSATION THAT ARCHBISHOP BUGNINI WAS A FREEMASON IS A GOSSIP INVENTED BY SSPX FOLLOWERS AND THEIR COHORTS. THAT IS NEVER PROVEN. BUGNINI WAS APPOINTED AS LITURGICAL EXPERT BY VEN. POPE PIUS XII. HE WAS TRUSTED AND RESPECTED AND ADMIRED BY POPE PIUS XII.

THE NOVUS ORDO WAS MADE BY A LITURGICAL COMMISSION COMPOSED BY ALL CARDINALS. THERE ARE NO PROTESTANT CARDINALS THEN UNTIL NOW. SO WHICH OF THOSE CARDINALS WERE PROTESTANT?

BUGNINI WAS ONLY THE SECRETARY OF THE LITURGICAL COMMISSION. HE WAS NOT THE CHAIRMAN. HE WAS NOT THE HEAD OF THAT COMMISSION. WHY ARE THEY BLAMING A MERE SECRETARY OF THE COMMISSION?

[I know there are some who believe that they, the ministers, contributed to final product which became the Pauline Mass.]

THAT IS VERY PATHETIC. THE LITURGICAL COMMISSION WAS COMPOSED OF CATHOLIC CARDINALS. NOT A SINGLE PROTESTANT BECAME A MEMBER.

THE ENTIRE NOVUS ORDO IS TAKEN FROM TLM AND FROM OTHER CATHOLIC TRADITIONS:

1. SIGN OF THE CROSS
2. PENITENTIAL RITE
3. GLORIA
4. COLLECT OR OPENING PRAYER
5. READINGS
6. HOMILY
7. CREED
8. PRAYER OF THE FAITHFUL
9. OFFERTORY
10. PREFACE
11. EUCHARISTIC PRAYER OR ANAPHORA
12. OUR FATHER
13. COMMUNION
14. CLOSING PRAYER
15. BLESSING

WHICH OF THAT CAME FROM PROTESTANTS? ALL AND EACH OF THEM CAME FROM CATHOLIC TRADITION.

[I know that I have read that one of the Protestant observers, Jasper I believe, stated that there was nothing in the New Rite of the Mass that would be found offensive by Protestants.]

THAT IS OBVIOUSLY A LIE. ONLY A FOOL WILL BELIEVE THAT. LOOK:

1. THE SIGN OF THE CROSS IS OFFENSIVE TO PROTESTANTS.
2. THE EUCHARISTIC PRAYERS, ALL AND EACH ONE OF THEM ARE OFFENSIVE TO PROTESTANTS.
3. THE MENTION OF MARY AND THE SAINTS ARE OFFENSIVE TO PROTESTANTS.
4. THE VOTIVE AND FESTAL MASSES IN HONOR OF THE BLESSED MOTHER AND THE SAINTS ARE OFFENSIVE TO PROTESTANTS.
5. THE MENTION OF THE NAME OF THE POPE AND THE LOCAL BISHOP IS OFFENSIVE TO PROTESTANTS.

SO, IF BUGNINI DOESN’T WANT TO OFFEND THE PROTESTANTS HOW COME HE DIDN’T REMOVE THE CONSECRATION OF BREAD AND WINE INTO THE BODY AND BLOOD OF THE LORD? HE SHOULD HAVE REMOVED THE INSTITUTION NARRATIVE WHICH PROCLAIMS THE DOGMA OF TRANSUBSTANTIATION.

IF BUGNINI DOESN’T WANT TO OFFEND THE PROTESTANTS HE SHOULD HAVE PROHIBITED THE MENTION OF THE MENTION THE NAME OF THE BLESSED MOTHER AND THE SAINTS AND OF THE POPE AND THE BISHOP.

PLEASE SPARE US OF THE LIES AND DECEPTION AND PLAIN PATHETIC FOOLISHNESS. WE DON’T BUY SUCH… EVEN FOR A PENNY. THEY ARE FREE TO DECEIVE THEMSELVES BUT NOT US… NOTHING OFFENSIVE TO PROTESTANTS MY FOOT.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT BUGNINI DID TO INSULT THE PROTESTANTS?

1. HE ADDED PATRISTIC READINGS TO THE OFFICE OF THE HOURS. GOSH, ONLY A MASONIC IDIOT WILL PATRONIZE PATRISTIC WRITINGS. HAHAHA…

2. HE ADDED THE RESPONSORIAL PSALMS IN THE READINGS. GOSH, THAT IS VERY BIBLICAL AND PART OF THE SACRED TRADITION OF THE CHURCH. THE LORD JESUS AND THE APOSTLES USED TO RECITE THE PSALMS. THE CATHOLIC MONKS WERE RECITING THE PSALMS DAILY. ONLY IDIOTS WILL CLAIM THAT THE RESPONSORIAL PSALMS CAME FROM PROTESTANTS.

3. HE ADDED THE SECOND READING IN THE SUNDAY LITURGICAL MASS. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THAT. NO MASONIC FOOL WILL ENCOURAGE READINGS OF THE PAULINES AND CATHOLIC EPISTLES. OUR NOVUS ORDO READINGS ARE RICHER BIBLICALLY BY HAVING FIRST READINGS FROM OLD TESTAMENTS, THE PSALTER OF DAVID AND THE SECOND READINGS FROM APOSTOLIC WRITERS.

BUGNINI IS GUILTY OF PROCLAIMING THE GREAT TRUTHS AND BEAUTY OF CATHOLIC TRADITION: BIBLICAL TRADITION, APOSTOLIC TRADITION, PATRISTIC TRADITION AND MONASTIC TRADITION.

ASK YOUR CONSCIENCE AND YOUR HEART TERRY IF THESE ARE NOT TRUE!!! BE HONEST TO YOUR SOUL BEFORE THE BLESSED SACRAMENT.

[Thank you, my friends.]

WELCOME.

ARCHBISHOP BUGNINI DIED A FAITHFUL ARCHBISHOP OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND SERVED WITH GREAT DISTINCTION AS THE PAPAL NUNCIO TO IRAQ. HE DIED A CATHOLIC AND AN ARCHBISHOP OF GOOD STANDING. UNLIKE LEFEBVRE WHO DIED EXCOMMUNICATED.